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Room for 1 more?
« on: August 03, 2014, 02:34:17 AM »
I don't want to add to the glut of sim games that are seemingly popping up everywhere but.....oh, who am I kidding?  I do want to!


Do we think that there is room for 1 more (wrestling based) sim?


Based on the FBL/NBL/FHL model, you'd be the General Manager of a wrestling team/club/dojo....whatever.  You'd hire a trainer, you'd scout your wrestlers, draft your team, just like we're all familiar with.  Once drafting/training is done, clubs would face off head to head with other clubs (similar to what the IBF was looking to do).  After the season, there'd be a Championship series of some sort.


I've been looking over sims, and have a general layout of how things would work in my head, but before I go any further with it, I want to gauge interest.  Lemme hear it guys.


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Re: Room for 1 more?
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2014, 02:42:49 AM »
Personally, I feel these games are (for the most part) likely not to last as long as FBL has... so i think staggering some would prolong our fun.

I can't promise NBL runs forever (or without a long break in between at some point due to work and real life) and if it dies or is paused after a few seasons having some games in the que would be great.


If you want to run it now, I'll let you go for it but I think it might be best (and more fun for you as well due to activity levels) to wait until one of the current games ends or is paused.
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Re: Room for 1 more?
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2014, 03:00:38 AM »
Damn, took 8 minutes for bossman to marsh my mellow.  :'(


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Re: Room for 1 more?
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2014, 04:28:50 AM »
I see what Talon is saying,  but if you did run this, I know I would be in!
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Re: Room for 1 more?
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2014, 06:16:43 AM »
I really like the idea of a wrestling game, but generally I'm not sure how it works in the format of how these games are run. Similar to the MMA game. If you can think outside the box you could create something really fun, I don't think the weekly head to head thing would be appealing though.

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Re: Room for 1 more?
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2014, 06:18:56 AM »
It would be great if someone would start an MMA sim game. Say, I think Rebel would be a good mod for that, he should totally start an MMA sim game.

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Re: Room for 1 more?
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2014, 06:21:16 AM »
It would basically be one long round Robin tournament. Each camp would face the other camps once or twice. You'd set a lineup 1-5 (for example). Your opponent does the same. The wrestler each of you listed as 1 would meet. 2 meets 2. 3 meets 3, and so on. I'd mix it up with tag matches etc.


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Re: Room for 1 more?
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2014, 06:21:37 AM »
It would be great if someone would start an MMA sim game. Say, I think Rebel would be a good mod for that, he should totally start an MMA sim game.

How about answering MY question?


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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2014, 06:23:21 AM »
I think it might be great for new people. Get about 8 people not playing other games in to play.

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Re: Room for 1 more?
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2014, 10:15:49 AM »
Would there be a way to run a WWE type wrestling sim using an MMA mod just for story and career that would be kinda fun, but I'm at a complete lost how that would work...either way, I feel like any game would be best done between seasons or afterwards.

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Re: Room for 1 more?
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2014, 04:15:46 PM »
This is what I originally wanted to do before launching the MMA sim.  I had thought about doing territories... with each "season" culminating in a WrestleMania type event where the top wrestlers of each territory competed in a tournament.

Hard to pull off but would be a blast.

You could go in a hundred different directions with the story lines, unlike MMA where you're limited to real life scenarios.

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Re: Room for 1 more?
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2014, 07:19:33 PM »
If you want to run it now, I'll let you go for it but I think it might be best (and more fun for you as well due to activity levels) to wait until one of the current games ends or is paused.


*looks at new futbol sim and frowns*



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Re: Room for 1 more?
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2014, 08:10:51 PM »

*looks at new futbol sim and frowns*

Flins has had this in the work for sometime now. Previously approved by Talon.



  


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Re: Room for 1 more?
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2014, 08:18:45 PM »
Aye, Futbol has been around longer than anything sans NBL.
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Re: Room for 1 more?
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2014, 08:34:22 PM »
*grumbles and changes tampon*


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« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2014, 02:16:16 PM »
*grumbles and changes tampon*

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Re: Room for 1 more?
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2014, 03:36:12 PM »
I'd like to restart the idea of a football (american) league. I have an idea to make less work for the GMs that could make a decent league.

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Re: Room for 1 more?
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2014, 03:39:47 PM »
Get in line bub!


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Re: Room for 1 more?
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2014, 03:53:57 PM »
I'm not pushing it on anyone at this time. But if the interest is there I'd like to give it a shot, whenever it may be.

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Re: Room for 1 more?
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2014, 05:26:04 PM »
I'd like to restart the idea of a football (american) league. I have an idea to make less work for the GMs that could make a decent league.

Already one in the pipelines that I'm sure a male audience will enjoy more.

And Powers - this one, like Sante's was in ahead of you.

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« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2014, 07:34:23 PM »
You're right Metro. Mine would feature rainbows and unicorns....

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« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2014, 09:22:48 PM »
You're right Metro. Mine would feature rainbows and unicorns....



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« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2014, 09:38:17 PM »
Is that supposed to be a sample?

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Re: Room for 1 more?
« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2014, 09:49:00 PM »
Is that supposed to be a sample?

... you're thicker than Lenore Ravencroft sometimes.

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« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2014, 09:51:31 PM »
If it was I'd play.... one of these games could use more off the field "action"....

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« Reply #25 on: October 10, 2014, 11:27:06 PM »
This might be a nightmare to run, but has anyone considered running a multi league sim? The FBL has the SL, and the NBL has the IBF and the World Cup, but has anyone thought of running those rival leagues along with the main one?

My thinking was one person, the Talon or Ian of the sim, is the overall head of both leagues, while each league has someone in charge as well. Below that you have the team GMs as usual, playing as they would in the other sims. But each league would fight over players to join their respective side and there would be a season to run for each league.

Am I nuts? It seems like a ton of work, but could be a cool way to add a new twist to the sports sim...

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« Reply #26 on: October 11, 2014, 12:21:31 AM »
The biggest part of it to me is it is basically a glorified expansion, unless you make the leagues different as far as rules and caps go.
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Re: Room for 1 more?
« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2014, 12:24:06 AM »
That could be a part of it. I just thought of it earlier, didn't put much thought into it, but wanted to see if people thought it was something that could be done or not.

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« Reply #28 on: October 11, 2014, 12:41:17 AM »
I guess it could be looked at like if the IBF had GMs and ran like NBL. Two seperate leagues, but run in the same sim. The main competition is within your league, but you'd also have battles against the other league for potential players. Maybe there'd be a champion vs champion series at the end for league bragging rights.



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Re: Room for 1 more?
« Reply #29 on: October 11, 2014, 01:03:36 AM »
Like T said, for it to be worth it there'd have to be fundamental differences between the leagues. Rules/salary caps/etc. Otherwise it is basically East/West conferences in FBL.


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« Reply #30 on: October 11, 2014, 01:07:51 AM »
Yes, definitely two leagues run differently, but in the same sim.

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« Reply #31 on: October 11, 2014, 06:33:09 AM »
I'd actually thought about that idea before, having the two leagues existing as independent entities, but within the same overall world. They'd share a common pool of GMs, staff & players, but beyond that be completely separate to one another, with the head(s) of each determining how the setup for their league works.

It'd be an even more testing way to play the game, and make the "other" league threat mean a whole lot more. Rather than being the mod working you you, it's a whole other set of GMs. Will you make an agreement or start a war?

To make it really work right though, there'd have to be some kind of schedule to keep both running at the same speed (e.g. game progresses "real time", where 1 week = 1 week, and lock in must happen by the weekend). They wouldn't have to match up exactly, like WEEK 1 here = WEEK 1 there, but they'd at least need to move at the same rate to make events match up.

I liken it most to real life Soccer/Hockey. You have all the different leagues with different setups, but all the coaches/players can semi-freely move between them depending on offers.

A few RL Examples:
Hockey - NHL vs European Leagues (e.g. KHL/Liiga/DEL) - Division & conference based vs single-league based, points differences, overtime rule differences.
Soccer - English Premier League (& other European leagues) vs MLS - Transfers vs trades, single league with no playoff vs conferences & playoff, Aug/Sept start vs Jan/Feb start, (almost) free-player range vs player limits (international/DP spots), no cap vs cap, no draft vs draft.


It'd be a lot of work for the mods involved to keep a unified set of records, but if it could be pulled off I'm sure it'd have a lot of people interested. Eventual expansion could see it like my RL examples with a series of leagues that occasionally do crossover events (like the Champions League in European Soccer).
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Re: Room for 1 more?
« Reply #32 on: October 11, 2014, 07:53:52 AM »
This is something I could quite easily incorporate into my game, but I would need to re-build the database. The main issue for me is the number of GM's. In my opinion you need quite a few teams to make a league competitive and fun, to set up another league with a varying ruleset to run parallel to it, it'd need to be equal in size. I don't think there are the numbers for it.

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« Reply #33 on: October 11, 2014, 08:07:48 AM »
It's an idea I'm running for my game, just a matter of getting everything just right.

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Re: Room for 1 more?
« Reply #34 on: October 11, 2014, 08:19:56 AM »
The main issue for me is the number of GM's.

And here is the first somewhat-major hurdle.

Our largest sim, NBL, had 16 active teams, which would mean theoretically a split-league game could run two eight-team setups if all 16 decided they'd be interested in whatever took the format. If we could bring in a few more folk to the site it might be possible to push that to 20 GMs, and two 10 team leagues. Ideally though you'd want more GMs than jobs to create the competitive atmosphere for places and to account for any firings down the line.

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That's actually pretty cool. Will be interested to see what you're planning and how you get it to work.
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Re: Room for 1 more?
« Reply #35 on: February 05, 2015, 11:17:01 PM »
I just discovered this part of the boards, so now I'm going to make a suggestion that is months out of date.

If someone was thinking of doing more than one league, I think it would be good to have a higher and lower league with promotions and relegations like in European sports. Probably a nightmare to run, though.

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« Reply #36 on: February 05, 2015, 11:35:17 PM »
I just discovered this part of the boards, so now I'm going to make a suggestion that is months out of date.

If someone was thinking of doing more than one league, I think it would be good to have a higher and lower league with promotions and relegations like in European sports. Probably a nightmare to run, though.

The only problem with running something like that is having a dedicated talent pool for both selections.  Ian could probably do something like this in the FBL instead of expanding but with trades, cap space, and other crap might be too complicated.

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« Reply #37 on: February 05, 2015, 11:46:24 PM »
Like more than one football league or something like that? Yeah, that's a mess because if you were to promote a team, you'd have to have the same save, same program, save progression and that's is an incredible pain in teh ass.

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« Reply #38 on: February 05, 2015, 11:58:01 PM »
Unless there's a sim set up for that sort of thing floating around the net somewhere.

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« Reply #39 on: February 06, 2015, 12:01:25 AM »
Unless there's a sim set up for that sort of thing floating around the net somewhere.

Some sims have that in it. I know the basketball sim I was going to use before i gave up on the sim itself, it had the ability to have several leagues going at the same time from developmental leagues to historical leagues and what not. Only problem, only one mod could run it.

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« Reply #40 on: February 07, 2015, 01:19:16 PM »
So are we down to just one league? If so I'd like to try to get something going, but if someone else is up then cool.

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« Reply #41 on: February 07, 2015, 02:39:24 PM »
I liked the hockey game. Sucks that it had to close.

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« Reply #42 on: February 08, 2015, 01:46:37 AM »
Where do you find the sims? I wouldn't mind looking through one to see what it takes to run a game.

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« Reply #43 on: February 12, 2015, 02:27:31 PM »
Baseball.

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« Reply #44 on: February 12, 2015, 02:34:20 PM »
I'd like to do basketball, or at least have one set up to do.

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« Reply #45 on: February 12, 2015, 02:39:38 PM »
it takes an incredible amount of time, just ask Jon, Ty, and Tritch...
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« Reply #46 on: February 12, 2015, 02:43:33 PM »
Time not an issue for me, outside of November and December (busy work season). I just would need to find a sim I like and get it set up, but I have the time to do it, plus I would want to start on the small end, like 8-10 teams, to make it easier to run initially.

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« Reply #47 on: February 12, 2015, 02:54:16 PM »
Time not an issue for me, outside of November and December (busy work season). I just would need to find a sim I like and get it set up, but I have the time to do it, plus I would want to start on the small end, like 8-10 teams, to make it easier to run initially.

Trust me, it's not easy as you think.

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« Reply #48 on: February 12, 2015, 02:58:44 PM »
Trust me, I can handle it.

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Re: Room for 1 more?
« Reply #49 on: February 12, 2015, 04:10:14 PM »
My irony is, after inadvertently starting the revolt at MFX, I'm almost ready to launch my wrestling sim there. Just waiting for my gfx to get sorted.

I feel it may get awkward.