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Re: Secret Hitler Mafia Game Begin!
« Reply #50 on: November 29, 2016, 03:31:37 PM »
Digger, Dazz, Powers, and Jon have all voted yes to Talon and Kirk so that makes a majority. President Talon and Chancellor Kirk have been elected.

We shall now enter the policy phase. There will be no posting. I will PM Talon his draw. He will reply to my message with a discard and I'll pass the remaining two to Kirk.

Kirk, you will post which policy you are playing here at which point talking may resume.

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Re: Secret Hitler Mafia Game Begin!
« Reply #51 on: November 30, 2016, 12:04:25 AM »
I'm enacting the blue policy (that's the liberal one, right?).

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Re: Secret Hitler Mafia Game Begin!
« Reply #52 on: November 30, 2016, 06:49:31 AM »
I'm enacting the blue policy (that's the liberal one, right?).

When a blue policy is played, nothing happens but good things for the liberals. When a red policy is played, in a 9 player game the president must do something each time

The rules are written for a reason.



  

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« Reply #53 on: November 30, 2016, 07:32:52 AM »
A liberal policy has passed! Hooray! 4 more and the liberals win!

You know have a total of 48 hours for any discussion time and question asking.

By Friday at 8am (but sooner can work too) I'd like our next president DQ to have chosen a chancellor. Please note that since Talon and Kirk were just in office that they cannot be nominated. After your selection you may vote on the government.
« Last Edit: November 30, 2016, 07:34:00 AM by Dougie »

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Re: Secret Hitler Mafia Game Begin!
« Reply #54 on: November 30, 2016, 09:00:05 AM »
The rules are written for a reason.

And obviously I read them, considering I picked the card I wanted.

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Re: Secret Hitler Mafia Game Begin!
« Reply #55 on: November 30, 2016, 10:10:20 AM »
Kirk, I was only given the colors of the policies, (received 2 red, 1 blue), did you see the policies themselves?
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Re: Secret Hitler Mafia Game Begin!
« Reply #56 on: November 30, 2016, 04:03:59 PM »
Made a clarification edit in the rules post. Carry on

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« Reply #57 on: November 30, 2016, 11:20:46 PM »
I just got told the colours as well. I got the choice of one red and one blue, obviously.

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« Reply #58 on: November 30, 2016, 11:46:37 PM »
Ah okay, I was just curious if you had a glance at what the actual policy was. 

Thanks for clarifying.
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Re: Secret Hitler Mafia Game Begin!
« Reply #59 on: December 01, 2016, 01:22:50 AM »
I chose Jon

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Re: Secret Hitler Mafia Game Begin!
« Reply #60 on: December 01, 2016, 01:59:26 AM »
So much for discussion....


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« Reply #61 on: December 01, 2016, 06:12:53 AM »
Now we can discuss DQ's presidency and his proposed chancellor. No reason you can't talk about the reign of Talon the Wise, though.

I'd like to know why DQ has chosen Jon before I vote on the appointment.

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Re: Secret Hitler Mafia Game Begin!
« Reply #62 on: December 01, 2016, 06:29:44 AM »
So much for discussion....

What would you have liked to discuss that you can't discuss now?



  

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« Reply #63 on: December 01, 2016, 12:07:36 PM »
Government of President DQ and Chancellor Jon is up for vote.

Discussion may continue while voting. Vote deadline is 12/3 at 8am eastern.

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« Reply #64 on: December 01, 2016, 12:51:27 PM »
What would you have liked to discuss that you can't discuss now?

Talon discussed a few options for appointment. DQ just BOOM picked you without a word as to why. That is what I was referring to.


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Re: Secret Hitler Mafia Game Begin!
« Reply #65 on: December 01, 2016, 01:03:26 PM »
Talon discussed a few options for appointment. DQ just BOOM picked you without a word as to why. That is what I was referring to.

Seems pretty hypocritical, since you did the same thing, no?



  

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Re: Secret Hitler Mafia Game Begin!
« Reply #66 on: December 01, 2016, 01:34:52 PM »
No, the reason I chose Bone was obvious. Why did DQ pick you?


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« Reply #67 on: December 01, 2016, 01:41:46 PM »
What was obvious about it?

Anybody you choose as Chancellor is going to vote for the ticket.

I can't answer for DQ... maybe he liked what I said in response to Talons question.



  

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Re: Secret Hitler Mafia Game Begin!
« Reply #68 on: December 01, 2016, 01:46:43 PM »
I can see the point Powers is making. It did seem to just come out of nowhere with no attempt to sound anyone out. At the same time, though, what are the potential candidates going to say beyond "I'm a liberal and will choose a liberal policy if elected"? I'm going to hold off on voting until DQ explains himself though.

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« Reply #69 on: December 01, 2016, 01:48:52 PM »
What was obvious about it?

Just remember that Powers only chose Bone as Chancellor because it gave him a vote.

You forgot so quickly?


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Re: Secret Hitler Mafia Game Begin!
« Reply #70 on: December 01, 2016, 02:12:07 PM »
Vote Yes

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Re: Secret Hitler Mafia Game Begin!
« Reply #71 on: December 01, 2016, 03:21:30 PM »
You forgot so quickly?

Anybody you choose as Chancellor is going to vote for the ticket.

Why Bone over Dazz in that situation, he seconded your nomination. But we didn't get to even question as you picked so quickly... hence why I question you questioning someone for doing the same exact thing. I mean you can do it, but you don't have much to stand on.



  

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« Reply #72 on: December 01, 2016, 03:32:16 PM »
At the time I was unsure of how the game mechanics worked, as this is very different from 'normal' Mafia. I didn't realize that Dazz's "I don't see why not" post counted as 2nding the nom, especially where it wasn't bolded like a vote usually is.

Long story short, I thought I needed Bone.


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Re: Secret Hitler Mafia Game Begin!
« Reply #73 on: December 01, 2016, 03:41:22 PM »
I can see that.



  

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« Reply #74 on: December 01, 2016, 04:30:59 PM »
On rereading the thread I was mildly suspicious that Talon and Powers were in cahoots.

I'm also feeling my way through the mechanics... but even without a QT the fascists know each other and can put on the usual show that goes on in regular mafia, especially anyone with the chemistry that I've seen Powers and Talon display in the past.

Also, whilst I admit that Jon is difficult to read, I just get the feeling he is on the right side this time.

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« Reply #75 on: December 01, 2016, 07:31:32 PM »
Putting on a show?  Really bro?  Care to cite an example or two?


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« Reply #76 on: December 01, 2016, 09:42:06 PM »
Putting on a show?  Really bro?  Care to cite an example or two?

Not really.

I was asked why I nominated Jon and I answered.

What do you even want me to cite examples of? That Mafia teams put on a show of distancing themselves including but not limited to taking opposite sides of a topic? Go look at any mafia game... you really need me to cite examples of that?

If you are talking about the fact that I mentioned you and Talon having chemistry, I was thinking mostly of the game where you were a mentor, but it's an impression I have from other games in general. You, Talon and Pancho have always struck me as playing well off of each other (in fairness this applies to being town as well)

I'm not going to old games to look it up, no offense but I'm not interested enough in putting in that sort of effort.

Your response does strike me as a tad defensive over a suggestion of mild suspicion.

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« Reply #77 on: December 01, 2016, 10:03:10 PM »
I was just wondering if it was another in a long line of "DQ thinks Powers is scum", or if there was an actual reason.  I now have my answer.


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« Reply #78 on: December 01, 2016, 10:15:52 PM »
I definitely am not a fan of just choosing someone without any reasoning behind it. That makes me suspicious of the reasons behind the selection.

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« Reply #79 on: December 02, 2016, 01:04:42 AM »
I definitely am not a fan of just choosing someone without any reasoning behind it. That makes me suspicious of the reasons behind the selection.

Are you saying DQ didn't have any reasons?



  

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« Reply #80 on: December 02, 2016, 01:11:56 AM »
Vote: Yes

I don't have a problem with Jon as chancellor at the moment.

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« Reply #81 on: December 02, 2016, 02:04:50 AM »
Are you saying DQ didn't have any reasons?

His reasons, going by what I read, is basing it on a hunch, on a "feeling." Something about that comment has me in skeptic mode about it and the decision making process behind it.

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« Reply #82 on: December 02, 2016, 09:03:18 AM »
Isn't it all based on a feeling right now? We don't have investigative roles in this game, and no one has said anything giving themselves away, so picking Jon makes as much sense as any of us.

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Re: Secret Hitler Mafia Game Begin!
« Reply #83 on: December 02, 2016, 02:11:38 PM »
vote: No

I'm going to be THAT guy, because Jon was THAT guy, which led to the railroading of the first nominated government. I don't want him in government right now.

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« Reply #84 on: December 02, 2016, 09:00:18 PM »
Vote No

Something isn't sitting right with me here about this duo. 


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« Reply #85 on: December 02, 2016, 09:28:42 PM »
Vote: No

I'm glad I'm not alone with my skepticism about this.

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« Reply #86 on: December 02, 2016, 09:55:12 PM »
I'm quite confident at this point that Powers does not have liberal interests at heart.

His defensive post at the mere suggestion,
His asking me to cite examples when I never even outright claimed anything other than he has good chemistry with Talon,
His "long line of DQ thinking Powers is scum" comment is a BLATANT attempt at discrediting me,
His "oh I was just wondering, now I have my answer" is transparently vague and evasive backtracking,
His basically trying to twist my words into something where he thought he could again discredit me by asking for examples of a point I didn't even make (which is what he then decided to backtrack from, but then try to salvage something with more vagueness "something doesn't sit right with me about this duo")

There is just sooooo much subtext in his posts.

The good news is, that as certain as I am that he is not liberal, it enforces the good feeling I had about Jon, unless Powers is playing some mighty fine WIFOM.

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« Reply #87 on: December 02, 2016, 10:01:18 PM »
Game will be updated in the morning. I believe that if I counted correctly and assuming Pres/Chanc vote yes that its a yes but will be more thorough tomorrow. Continue discussion until then.

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« Reply #88 on: December 02, 2016, 10:17:39 PM »
Oh... it never occurred to me to actually say it...

vote: yes

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« Reply #89 on: December 02, 2016, 11:27:20 PM »
I'm quite confident at this point that Powers does not have liberal interests at heart.

His defensive post at the mere suggestion,
His asking me to cite examples when I never even outright claimed anything other than he has good chemistry with Talon,
His "long line of DQ thinking Powers is scum" comment is a BLATANT attempt at discrediting me,
His "oh I was just wondering, now I have my answer" is transparently vague and evasive backtracking,
His basically trying to twist my words into something where he thought he could again discredit me by asking for examples of a point I didn't even make (which is what he then decided to backtrack from, but then try to salvage something with more vagueness "something doesn't sit right with me about this duo")

There is just sooooo much subtext in his posts.

The good news is, that as certain as I am that he is not liberal, it enforces the good feeling I had about Jon, unless Powers is playing some mighty fine WIFOM.


I COULD break your post down Franchise-style, but I honestly don't have the energy right now.  I'm not "trying to discredit" you.  You are acting as though this was the first time I ever brought up the fact that you seemingly always think I'm scum.  I'm being neither vague, nor evasive.  I don't know what point you are trying to make in that whole "backtracking/salvaging" line there, it reads like word salad to me.

Bottom line is, you pop in with a nom of Jon and nothing else.  This sets off alarm bells.  Jon has been his usual confrontational self, which in reality probably just triggers instant mistrust in me.  Then, the more you say, the less I trust what you have to say.  So, I vote no.


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« Reply #90 on: December 03, 2016, 12:28:26 AM »
Don't act like I have an issue with you voting no.

Three other people voted no without managing to raise my suspicion.

I'm calling out your posts exactly as I see it. And you're rebuttal basically amounts to "that's not true!"

And again, you are trying to both justify and reinforce your "DQ always accuses me of being scum" dismissal in the same sentence. Impressive.

But whether you have brought that up in the past (really bro... care to cite examples?) or not is irrelevant. This time you pulled THAT particular trigger at the mere suggestion that I think it's plausible. With the numbers in this game it's not even a remotely unreasonable suggestion, but yet you feel the need to do the publicly rolling your eyes defense?

I'm sure I accused Talon of being scum in plenty of games, he did exactly what I do when I have nothing to hide, he ignored it.


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« Reply #91 on: December 03, 2016, 01:42:36 AM »
And I'm calling yours exactly as I see them.  Can't you see that?

I started to go through MFX games to find where I've said that you always think I'm scum, but frankly there are far too  many games and far too many pages for me to locate that needle.  So fine, you got me.  I have nothing to back my claim other than memory.

And what exactly do you want me to say other than "that's not true"?  How exactly can I prove my townliness/liberalness to you, satisfactorily?


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« Reply #92 on: December 03, 2016, 07:38:58 AM »
Yes - DQ, Jon (these two included automatically), Talon, Kirk, Digger
No - Bone, Powers, Franchise

In this instance, Dazz's vote will not matter as there will be a majority yes.

NO TALKING NOW. PLAY WILL RESUME WHEN THE CHANCELLOR POSTS THE POLICY.

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Re: Secret Hitler Mafia Game Begin!
« Reply #93 on: December 03, 2016, 07:34:56 PM »
I will enact the blue policy.



  

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Re: Secret Hitler Mafia Game Begin!
« Reply #94 on: December 03, 2016, 10:10:00 PM »
A liberal policy has passed! Hooray! 3 more and the liberals win!

You now have the rest of the weekend and then some 48ish hours or so for any discussion time and question asking.

By Monday at 11pm eastern (but sooner can work too) I'd like our next President Dazz to have chosen a chancellor. Please note that since DQ and Jon were just in office that they cannot be nominated. I won't say this every time but Talon and Kirk are now eligible again. Basically no player can be in office for two consecutive terms. After your selection you all may vote on the government.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2016, 10:10:11 PM by Dougie »

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« Reply #95 on: December 03, 2016, 10:17:28 PM »
So Dazz, we gonna talk about your potential Chancellors, or are you gonna make a proclamation like DQ did?


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« Reply #96 on: December 03, 2016, 10:23:27 PM »
He should pick Talon or Kirk.

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Re: Secret Hitler Mafia Game Begin!
« Reply #97 on: December 03, 2016, 10:55:34 PM »
Because.....?


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Re: Secret Hitler Mafia Game Begin!
« Reply #98 on: December 03, 2016, 11:28:12 PM »
Because we've done more to earn everyone's trust than anyone else eligible for the positions?

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« Reply #99 on: December 03, 2016, 11:33:23 PM »
Not sure how that is true.  You yourself said.....

I guess that's my pitch: Whichever side I'm on (I am liberal, by the way) I'm going to pick the liberal option to build credibility, so I'm the risk free choice for getting a liberal policy enacted.

So you picked the blue policy.  You already told us that you would, even if you were fascist, so you can build trust.  No way in hell does that make you a liberal.