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What makes a player...
« on: March 03, 2017, 03:13:58 PM »
So, I am curious. 

To you as a GM in the game, what makes a player undraftable to you? 

Anything?

Does a big character flaw drop him from the top 10, from the first round, from your second round, or from your board all together?

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Re: What makes a player...
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2017, 03:20:17 PM »
I normally avoid the "problem guys." I gifted Digger with Benjamin b/c I thought he was going to end up having character problems based off of the DUI issue. I sent DGB away to Atlanta for the same reason. I was actively trying to get to Bruiser Elliot and he would've been my first "problem" player I've intentionally gone after.

My main thing would be if a player has a bad work ethic. There was one of those in my scouting reports last year and I avoided him. If I saw a guy who put up beastly numbers in the combine, but was lazy. I'd be 100% out.
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Re: What makes a player...
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2017, 03:28:51 PM »
I'll deal with an attitude issue if the guy can play. If he gives 100% on the field, but is a jerk to me, I don't care.

Thanks to Metro's advice I interviewed Carmazzi before the s7 draft, and found out he had a poor work ethic. Made me go from taking him #1 to trading the pick.

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Re: What makes a player...
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2017, 03:45:59 PM »
I'll never sign that dude that people punched Franchise, if that helps.


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Re: What makes a player...
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2017, 03:55:53 PM »
bad work ethic with average talent. I'd take Lawrence Taylor but I wouldn't take Jamarcus russel (knowingly)

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Re: What makes a player...
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2017, 04:00:54 PM »
Lazy.  Which is the only reason I didn't draft Bruiser.

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Re: What makes a player...
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2017, 04:02:08 PM »
I won't knowingly draft a lazy player.

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Re: What makes a player...
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2017, 04:06:59 PM »
bad work ethic with average talent. I'd take Lawrence Taylor but I wouldn't take Jamarcus russel (knowingly)

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Re: What makes a player...
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2017, 04:40:53 PM »
There's always the cost benefit. I make it a point to say Work Ethic and character are positives that boost someone up. Once the calculus reaches a certain point though - I'd take probably anyone.

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Re: What makes a player...
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2017, 04:47:35 PM »

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Re: What makes a player...
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2017, 04:48:45 PM »
Well we'll see how that works when Rae Carruth shows up.
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Re: What makes a player...
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2017, 05:24:39 PM »
I'd say a big character flaw would probably drop someone down my board, and if he happened to be there way later then he should be (based on my own assumption) I'd probably take him. Probably would have taken Bruiser if I was picking around the upper 2nd.

Work ethic I think depends on the player to me. If he still performs in games all the time, then I can probably deal with his work ethic not being superb. If he doesn't have a good work ethic and doesn't perform in games, that's probably where I would start thinking about how botched my pick was. But we shall see.

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Re: What makes a player...
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2017, 06:19:07 PM »
I'd say a big character flaw would probably drop someone down my board, and if he happened to be there way later then he should be (based on my own assumption) I'd probably take him. Probably would have taken Bruiser if I was picking around the upper 2nd.

Work ethic I think depends on the player to me. If he still performs in games all the time, then I can probably deal with his work ethic not being superb. If he doesn't have a good work ethic and doesn't perform in games, that's probably where I would start thinking about how botched my pick was. But we shall see.

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Re: What makes a player...
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2017, 06:35:58 PM »
I've knowingly drafted players who take plays off in the hope that my staff can get them working harder. Definitely drops them down the board though. A lack of talent is about the only thing that would put me off entirely... and the wrong agent but you don't find that out until after.

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Re: What makes a player...
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2017, 06:37:02 PM »
If he has zero talent to start with no drive to improve.

Even if he got talent but no drive I'll take that guy cause I can flip him - see Tashaun Pate

And if a guy balls out and works hard but is "eccentric" I'll take that dude any day.



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Re: What makes a player...
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2017, 07:04:45 PM »
You're signing rookies in the draft. If the guy is too lazy to put in the work to improve, he isn't worth taking, in my opinion. You'd be better off with a player with the same talent but with HIFL experience, who you could probably get cheaper in Free Agency. Eccentric players are fine in my book. I have no regrets about signing Cotter, for example.

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Re: What makes a player...
« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2017, 09:55:27 PM »
"Will take a few season to develop in the right system"
"Played his entire college career on the bench"
"Can probably make it on a bench if looking for depth"
"Not worth Drafting"

Any of those key phrases come up in interviews and reports will make a player undraftable to me. Everything else I can handle.

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Re: What makes a player...
« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2017, 10:33:59 PM »
Anyone that takes plays off or is a locker room cancer is off my board. If they're selfish, you can deal with that but if it carries over it can be a snowball effect for other guys on the team, same goes for guys that care about getting paid v/s being a team player...you can work with that too.

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Re: What makes a player...
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2017, 09:02:15 AM »
I'd definitely take a player with "will take a few seasons to develop in the right system". The draft is mostly about finding bench talent and future starters. Only the first couple of rounds are for year 1 starters.