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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - DAY 1
« Reply #50 on: July 05, 2017, 11:24:27 PM »
Welp, I guess I should've saved Gooch last night.
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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - DAY 1
« Reply #51 on: July 05, 2017, 11:33:36 PM »
Final Vote Count:

Powers: 2 (T-Bone, Talon)
Talon: 3 (DQ, Dougie, Powers)


In the local police station, a mob has dragged in two suspects and now they're screaming at each other for justice... but this is China where justice can be bought and sold. Unfortunately, Talon forgot his wallet so he'll be the one smuggled off for a show trial and speedy execution.

DEAD: Talon

Night Begins. You have 24 hours to get your actions in.

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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - DAY 1
« Reply #52 on: July 07, 2017, 09:44:42 AM »
The night in our small town is quiet with no deaths...





...except Digger. Digger found himself in a kungfu exhibition where he got his face punched out the back of his head.

DEAD: DIGGER

DAY 2 BEGINS. You have 72 hours.

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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - DAY 2
« Reply #53 on: July 07, 2017, 08:17:39 PM »
That kill did nothing. Digger had one post all day yesterday.

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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - DAY 2
« Reply #54 on: July 07, 2017, 08:53:17 PM »
Hmm, I can see that the lack of reveals is gonna be an issue in this game.

If Talon was not the witch (which he soft claimed being before his death) I would've expected the real witch to either use his kill, or stop the scums kill. This would have logically shown that Talon was lying and therefore most likely scum. What is troubling me though is the scum choice of Digger for kill. He is exactly the type of kill that the witch wouldn't want to save. As you pointed out Doug, he only had 1 post yesterday.

So, we're left with a shitty WIFOM.

Either, a) we lynched the witch, as he soft claimed, and the scum killed Digger for cover.
or b) we lynched scum who tried to bait the witch into using their power on a low priority revival/shot in the dark kill - which the witch (rightly) avoided.

I'm not sure where I am at the moment, but those are my thoughts.


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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - DAY 2
« Reply #55 on: July 07, 2017, 11:18:37 PM »
You're discounting the fact that the witch gets a kill.

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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - DAY 2
« Reply #56 on: July 08, 2017, 12:30:10 AM »
Hmm, I can see that the lack of reveals is gonna be an issue in this game.

If Talon was not the witch (which he soft claimed being before his death) I would've expected the real witch to either use his kill, or stop the scums kill. This would have logically shown that Talon was lying and therefore most likely scum. What is troubling me though is the scum choice of Digger for kill. He is exactly the type of kill that the witch wouldn't want to save. As you pointed out Doug, he only had 1 post yesterday.

So, we're left with a shitty WIFOM.

Either, a) we lynched the witch, as he soft claimed, and the scum killed Digger for cover.
or b) we lynched scum who tried to bait the witch into using their power on a low priority revival/shot in the dark kill - which the witch (rightly) avoided.

I'm not sure where I am at the moment, but those are my thoughts.

No I'm not. The witch can either stop the scums kill, or make his own. So there should be either 0 deaths at night or 2. 1 kill means that only the scum killed.


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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - DAY 2
« Reply #57 on: July 08, 2017, 07:48:16 AM »
Outside chance witch and scum targeted the same player should the witch be alive.

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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - DAY 2
« Reply #58 on: July 08, 2017, 09:29:04 AM »
I can't think of a reason why the witch would withhold both actions two consecutive nights. (Doug's suggestion about both targeting same player is plausible).

I mean ok, I can get that you wouldn't want to waste a save on someone not contributing... and I can get not wanting to use a kill without more certainty.... but there is no certainty of your own survival to have the luxury of using either action under better circumstances.


I find it hard to believe that Talon's claim was anything more than "you'll be sorry" type fear mongering but it WOULD account for the apparent lack of witch action. (Going to reread the rules after I post, but I'm assuming Digger and Gooch could have saved themselves if they were the witch)

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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - DAY 2
« Reply #59 on: July 08, 2017, 09:34:59 AM »
OK... rereading, there is nothing in the rules that says whether a witch can self-target.

Also Talon's soft claim came way to late to have any impact (technically after the deadline). So I retract the fear-mongering comment.

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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - DAY 2
« Reply #60 on: July 08, 2017, 11:38:51 AM »
I think Powers is scum.

Vote: Powers

Did not like his vote on Talon, did not like his response to my question, and I'm not going to let him off so easily.



  

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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - DAY 2
« Reply #61 on: July 08, 2017, 01:01:57 PM »
I think Powers is scum.

Vote: Powers

Did not like his vote on Talon, did not like his response to my question, and I'm not going to let him off so easily.

Meh, I find it hard to blame him for his vote tbh. It doesn't really tell me anything. If he's scum, it was an obvious thing to do, but if he's town, well... it's still kinda obvious thing to do.

I'm still torn on Talon's alignment. I realize his soft claim came to late to swing votes, BUT there are other reasons scum would try to plant posthumous seeds in a game with no flips.

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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - DAY 2
« Reply #62 on: July 08, 2017, 04:07:37 PM »
Outside chance witch and scum targeted the same player should the witch be alive.

But the witch gets told who the scum targets, right?


I think Powers is scum.

Vote: Powers

Did not like his vote on Talon, did not like his response to my question, and I'm not going to let him off so easily.

What would you have me do instead?


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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - DAY 2
« Reply #63 on: July 08, 2017, 04:18:35 PM »
Vote: powers


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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - DAY 2
« Reply #64 on: July 08, 2017, 04:38:28 PM »
Care to expand on that?


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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - DAY 2
« Reply #65 on: July 08, 2017, 04:48:05 PM »
What would you have me do instead?

I would have liked to see you play the town card and take it to a one post to explain vote tiebreaker on why you should survive instead of the easy way out. Instead, you voted Talon who had almost just as much of a chance to be the witch/cop as scum. I took it as a... fuck, I can't explain a good reason why I should live.  It sucks to have to claim early on, but I would much rather have that claim out there and that power surviving then the alternative. And if you both happened to claim town, we could vote out the less helpful role. Maybe I'm in the minority in that department, but that is my line of thinking on it and why my vote is on you. 
 



  

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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - DAY 2
« Reply #66 on: July 08, 2017, 05:05:40 PM »
I don't believe for one second you'd do the same thing if you were in my shoes. The bottom line is, I know for a fact that I'm town. I couldn't say the same for Talon. In a him vs me scenario, that fact enough makes it easy to vote him.


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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - DAY 2
« Reply #67 on: July 08, 2017, 09:19:09 PM »
The rest of us don't know that, and that's the point he's making.

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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - DAY 2
« Reply #68 on: July 08, 2017, 09:31:52 PM »
Again, what would you have me do? What would you do in my shoes?


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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - DAY 2
« Reply #69 on: July 09, 2017, 01:59:31 PM »
Ok so currently Powers is the only one with votes. Any reason for a counterwagon? Deadline is in less than a day.

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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - DAY 2
« Reply #70 on: July 09, 2017, 03:22:53 PM »
Reason for a counterwagon? LOL, I'd settle for a good reason for my wagon. It's all bullshit.


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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - DAY 2
« Reply #71 on: July 09, 2017, 05:15:23 PM »
Reason for a counterwagon? LOL, I'd settle for a good reason for my wagon. It's all bullshit.

Kind of like Talons?



  

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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - DAY 2
« Reply #72 on: July 09, 2017, 06:14:38 PM »
I gave two reasons for voting him. One being this post being garbage......
Couldn't think of anything better to say? Sounds like you were searching for a reason to post to appear concerned.

Unvote

Vote Powers

The other one being avoiding a tie. Neither of which is applicable here. So, no, this is nothing like Talon. Not even close.


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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - DAY 2
« Reply #73 on: July 09, 2017, 07:35:45 PM »
I gave you my reason... you called it bullshit. You told me your reasons... I call them bullshit.

So... yep... just like Talon.



  

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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - DAY 2
« Reply #74 on: July 09, 2017, 08:20:23 PM »
Your reasoning is that I should've withheld my vote and possibly seen myself lynched because of it. What kind of backwards bullshit is that?


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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - DAY 2
« Reply #75 on: July 09, 2017, 09:12:45 PM »
Your reasoning is that I should've withheld my vote and possibly seen myself lynched because of it. What kind of backwards bullshit is that?

So if you're a vanilla townie and the person who is tied with you is the town cop. Wouldn't you rather you get voted out than the other?

Scum are selfish players... town are not unless they have a valuable PR too. And if that's the case... then you better speak up before this phase ends with your lynch. However, I'm guessing you're not and you're just selfish scum.   



  

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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - DAY 2
« Reply #76 on: July 09, 2017, 09:32:29 PM »
Again, I KNOW I'm town. Can't say the same for T. Trying to frame things as though we knew for a fact (which we still don't know) that he is the Witch is just a smear job.

Also, he didn't soft claim until after he was lynched.


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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - DAY 2
« Reply #77 on: July 09, 2017, 09:44:00 PM »
And again...

WE don't know you're town. Everyone with a brain cell is going to say they are town, so that holds absolutely ZERO weight.

You know when else he could have soft claimed? During a one post explanation to why you should stay.

Unless you have a town PR (which I don't think you do), it was not a town motivated play, period. It was a selfish scum play. 




  

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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - DAY 2
« Reply #78 on: July 09, 2017, 10:07:10 PM »
But you're not asking why DQ voted, or why Doug voted.....you asked why I voted. Would you prefer I lie to you, and not state one of the obvious reasons for my vote? That'd look great for me.

Also, you continue to conveniently forget that I stated I voted T because of his terrible, garbage post. You're trying very hard to paint me a certain way. I wonder why that is?


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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - DAY 2
« Reply #79 on: July 09, 2017, 10:42:01 PM »
Powers doesn't need anyone else to know he's town to justify his vote and his survival. I don't get the logic.

On a different note, where's Pancho?

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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - DAY 2
« Reply #80 on: July 09, 2017, 10:58:12 PM »
Only about 12 hours left till deadline.

Vote Jon

I know it'll look like an OMGUS, but his mischaracterization of me/my actions is clearly the scummiest thing about today.


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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - DAY 2
« Reply #81 on: July 09, 2017, 11:06:55 PM »
But you're not asking why DQ voted, or why Doug voted.....you asked why I voted. Would you prefer I lie to you, and not state one of the obvious reasons for my vote? That'd look great for me.

Also, you continue to conveniently forget that I stated I voted T because of his terrible, garbage post. You're trying very hard to paint me a certain way. I wonder why that is?

I asked you because you didn't state anything. You responded with an LOL and then next post with a "to avoid the tie". So I wanted clarification from you. You didn't vote him after he made the post... you waited until it was tied after DQ and Doug voted prior to you. You've painted yourself this way bud. I'm just calling it how I see it.

Powers doesn't need anyone else to know he's town to justify his vote and his survival. I don't get the logic.

This is not a survival individual game. Being town is a team game, especially in this type of set-up. I don't think Powers played with that type of mentality.

Only about 12 hours left till deadline.

Vote Jon

I know it'll look like an OMGUS, but his mischaracterization of me/my actions is clearly the scummiest thing about today.

Yeah, you scum.



  

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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - DAY 2
« Reply #82 on: July 10, 2017, 10:35:17 AM »
DEAD: Powers

MAFIA WINS

Jon
DQ
T-Bone

Cop - Gooch
Witch - Talon
Gunman - Dougie

I'll do more fallout stuff tomorrow.

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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - FALLOUT
« Reply #83 on: July 10, 2017, 10:38:54 AM »



  

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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - FALLOUT
« Reply #84 on: July 10, 2017, 12:05:23 PM »



  

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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - FALLOUT
« Reply #85 on: July 10, 2017, 12:12:44 PM »
I didn't protect Gooch N1 because I liked the idea of being able to self-protect if needed or use a kill if I had a strong gut feeling.

Inactivity makes this game really hard to win for the town, but I liked the set up.  Good work scum team, I'd have only considered killing T-bone but that was behind Powers.
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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - FALLOUT
« Reply #86 on: July 10, 2017, 12:33:33 PM »
I knew that Jon was scum based on the way he pushed me.  When I laid down to go to bed last night, it struck me that Bone had to be scum too, based on his vote on me without any elaboration.  DQ was the surprise to me.


On a side note, I don't know what it is about my game lately.  No matter what my role is, everyone seems to believe I'm scum regardless.  It is mildly frustrating, lol.


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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - FALLOUT
« Reply #87 on: July 10, 2017, 12:53:04 PM »
Regardless of me being scum...

Your vote to stay alive as a vanilla was not town motivated. In a game this small with no reveal after death... the town PR roles are super important. There are games where it's ok to play a little selfish as town, but this was not one of them and it's why I correctly called you out on it.

Your move literally strung up the witch and for the most part lost the game for town.



  

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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - FALLOUT
« Reply #88 on: July 10, 2017, 01:14:05 PM »
You're still wrong.

In a situation where I know, or even suspect, that the other person is a power role, then yes I should defer. This was not that situation however.

By you're definition, any 1:1 scenario, I should roll over. That's crap.


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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - FALLOUT
« Reply #89 on: July 10, 2017, 01:23:59 PM »
Any 1:1 scenario as a vanilla townie, yes.

If you were as suspect of Talon as you say you were... you would have voted him off the get go... however you didn't... you only voted him to avoid the tie as you said in your vote post.

Sorry bro... that's just bad town play.



  

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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - FALLOUT
« Reply #90 on: July 10, 2017, 02:01:53 PM »
If I had gotten on a voted Jon this morning would that have been a tie? I forgot to check this game while running my other one lol

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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - FALLOUT
« Reply #91 on: July 10, 2017, 02:11:38 PM »
If it was before 9:44am ET, then yes.  Not that it'd have mattered, since Pancho is awol.


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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - FALLOUT
« Reply #92 on: July 10, 2017, 02:24:50 PM »
If I had gotten on a voted Jon this morning would that have been a tie? I forgot to check this game while running my other one lol

If it was before 9:44am ET, then yes.  Not that it'd have mattered, since Pancho is awol.

Yeah, DQ was ready for the vote on Powers if need be.



  

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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - FALLOUT
« Reply #93 on: July 10, 2017, 02:49:50 PM »
Sorry Powers, of the people posting you were the only one I saw worth a vote, had you not started on me, I'd have likely gone back to Pancho since he was inactive and deserved to die!
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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - FALLOUT
« Reply #94 on: July 10, 2017, 03:33:02 PM »
I didn't protect Gooch N1 because I liked the idea of being able to self-protect if needed or use a kill if I had a strong gut feeling.

Inactivity makes this game really hard to win for the town, but I liked the set up.  Good work scum team, I'd have only considered killing T-bone but that was behind Powers.

Funny enough, the fact that you didn't protect Gooch led me to correctly deduce you were probably the witch, hence the coordination to make you the Day 1 lynch.

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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - FALLOUT
« Reply #95 on: July 10, 2017, 03:33:56 PM »
I knew that Jon was scum based on the way he pushed me.  When I laid down to go to bed last night, it struck me that Bone had to be scum too, based on his vote on me without any elaboration.  DQ was the surprise to me.


On a side note, I don't know what it is about my game lately.  No matter what my role is, everyone seems to believe I'm scum regardless.  It is mildly frustrating, lol.

Once the game was 3 to 3, all we had to do was vote park on you. There was no need for nuance.
« Last Edit: July 10, 2017, 03:35:16 PM by GM T-Bone »

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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - FALLOUT
« Reply #96 on: July 10, 2017, 06:32:13 PM »
T-Bone was player of the game for me. He picked out Talon as a potential witch and got his motivation right, just based on him not protecting Gooch. I agree with Jon about Powers, but Talon should have claimed.

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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - FALLOUT
« Reply #97 on: July 10, 2017, 06:38:31 PM »

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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - FALLOUT
« Reply #98 on: July 10, 2017, 07:20:39 PM »
I figured Talon or Pancho would be the only two players bold enough not to make the optimal play.

Kirk, can you show me how the witch worked via PM? (or in thread?) I would like to attempt to run this on MS. It's interesting.

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Re: Basic Mafia - Chinese Style - FALLOUT
« Reply #99 on: July 10, 2017, 07:42:42 PM »
I tweaked the witch a little from how it works on the show, but I don't know if my change was good or not. I've never seen a witch protect someone and kill someone on the same night, so I assumed the witch can only use one per night. My change was that the witch can only protect themselves if they give up their kill. I thought the town would be overpowered otherwise, but that doesn't seem to be a problem.

Once the mafia made their decision, I told Talon who they chose and asked him if he wanted to save, kill or do nothing. If he had chosen to save Gooch, we would have gone to Day 1 with everyone in the game and Talon would have known that the mafi tried to kill Gooch. Talon would no longer have been able to save anyone else, though.

Anything you're still not clear on?