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Rule Change #6 Addendum
« on: December 19, 2017, 09:14:40 PM »
Last off-season we adopted this rule.

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RULE CHANGE PROPOSAL ON TRADES AND SALARY


This rule change would do the following:

- Allow a team to trade a player while agreeing to pay a pre-determined portion of that players salary for the current season.

Example: Team A trades Player X to Team B.   Team A also agrees to play $3MM of Player X's $8MM salary for the Current Season.

In this scenario, Team A will send 3MM from their salary cap for the season to Team B. Team B will be paying the full 8MM salary, but with have a 3MM credit added to their misc expenses.   That way the following season Team B will be responsible for the full salary while Team A will be back to normal as well.


The rule ONLY allows a team to pay salary of a player for the CURRENT season.  There will be no version of this rule that allows multiple years of salary to be paid, or a lump sum to cover multiple seasons.

This season we saw it in action to mixed results. I think it is a great rule, but the way in which some GMs implemented was not what I think most of us had in mind.

The spirit of the rule was to help facilitate trades by off-setting a couple million to keep our books balanced. I feel it was never meant to be used to off-set the cost of entire contracts.

I propose the rule be amended to the following...

- Teams are allowed to trade a player while agreeing to pay a pre-determined portion of that player's salary for the current season, up to 50% of the value of the contract.
- Teams may only use this on the current season. There will be no version of this rule that allows multiple years of salary to be paid, or a lump sum to cover multiple seasons.

Please note, this is not a complaint to those GMs who did take advantage of the new rule. I was not one of the GMs who got upset by this, in fact, I defended it as within the rules (and even made such a trade myself). But I recognize that those deals were unintended consequences, and I would like to see it corrected.

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Re: Rule Change #6 Addendum
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2017, 09:24:36 PM »
I agree with t-bone on this

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Re: Rule Change #6 Addendum
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2017, 09:29:02 PM »
I like the way the rule is now.

See no reason to change it.



  

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Re: Rule Change #6 Addendum
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2017, 09:30:06 PM »
And...

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- Teams may only use this on the current season. There will be no version of this rule that allows multiple years of salary to be paid, or a lump sum to cover multiple seasons.

...Is pointless as the current rule already states this.



  

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Re: Rule Change #6 Addendum
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2017, 09:30:44 PM »
I know, I was copying over the entire rule with my addition.

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Re: Rule Change #6 Addendum
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2017, 09:32:16 PM »
Yes.

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Re: Rule Change #6 Addendum
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2017, 09:32:48 PM »
I was just replying to what you wanted to ammend on the rule.

The previous rule doesn't need to be amended in that regard.




  

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Re: Rule Change #6 Addendum
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2017, 09:42:50 PM »
I have no plans to change this rule currently, but if there is an overwhelming majority who would like to make that change i would hear out potential changes.
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GM Kirk [21|May 12:29 AM]:   When trade fever hits, math is the first casualty.

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Re: Rule Change #6 Addendum
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2017, 09:46:39 PM »
If no one else chimes in 75% is an overwhelming majority :P

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Re: Rule Change #6 Addendum
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2017, 10:24:59 PM »
Leave it alone.


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Re: Rule Change #6 Addendum
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2017, 10:32:13 PM »
I donít see a reason to change it. I know the Hagan trade is the one that got the most action in comments, but that trade would have been able to fall under this rule anyways...
« Last Edit: December 19, 2017, 10:41:04 PM by GM Gates »

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Re: Rule Change #6 Addendum
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2017, 10:35:13 PM »
Leave it alone.

Surprising. You'd have an Impact Bowl ring if it wasn't for the rule T-Bone is proposing to change.

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Re: Rule Change #6 Addendum
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2017, 10:45:26 PM »
Nah, I don't buy that.


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Re: Rule Change #6 Addendum
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2017, 10:58:51 PM »
I move to not change. Powers got a great deal and Steed ended up playing. The owners may get mad about their GMs paying for other teams Impact Bowls, but it's a risk that is on the GM. The trade was calculated and fair and worked out well for both teams, in my opinion.
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GM Kirk [12|Mar 04:19 PM]: Gooch, how much did you bribe the HIFLPA to help you steal all my players?
GM TJ [12|Mar 04:21 PM]: Lolololololololooooooooooollllllllllll
Disgraced GM Powers [12|Mar 04:24 PM]: The league is #TeamGooch
GM Gravedigger [12|Mar 04:25 PM]: It's because he's so nice....
GM Gravedigger [12|Mar 04:25 PM]: Unnaturally nice...
GM Adam Wrong [12|Mar 04:25 PM]: I love gooch
GM Gravedigger [12|Mar 04:26 PM]: Everyone loves Gooch, except Kirk...
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Re: Rule Change #6 Addendum
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2017, 11:08:35 PM »
I don't care about the Hagan trade. I care about the reason we implemented the rule in the first place, which was to make trades possible where they would have been impossible before because of a small discrepancy (like 500K to 1mil). We didn't decide on this rule so teams could artificially increase their cap by 10 million.

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Re: Rule Change #6 Addendum
« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2017, 11:23:43 PM »
Sure we did.



  

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Re: Rule Change #6 Addendum
« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2017, 11:40:26 PM »
No, we didn't. You can leave your smugness at the door, it is not necessary to the discussion. You like the rule and the way it can be used, and that is fine.

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Re: Rule Change #6 Addendum
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2017, 11:43:09 PM »
I donít want to limit tools we have as GMís. Remember there has to be two parties for this to take place. And as sweet as it worked out for Powers and Gates it did fuck all for me.

Gooch said it best. Will owners demand rings if they financed a championship. Itís there Money. If you havenít seen it watch the scene in hardball between Billy bean and David Justice

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Re: Rule Change #6 Addendum
« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2017, 12:49:02 AM »
Voting no. The spirit of the rule was to make trading easier for all parties, especially for sellers at the deadline.

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Re: Rule Change #6 Addendum
« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2017, 03:42:07 AM »
I still think the cap should be a hard cap for all teams but T-Bone's adjustment is a step in the right direction so I fully support it. Last season got ridiculous and it shouldn't be allowed to happen again.

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Re: Rule Change #6 Addendum
« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2017, 04:46:10 AM »
You guys do understand that we could've made the same deal (Hagan/Steed/Seymore) under the confines of the proposal above, right? It just would've been MORE complicated and convoluted to follow. We decided to all keep money on our books for the simplicity of it all.


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Re: Rule Change #6 Addendum
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2017, 07:34:47 AM »
Rancho and TJ make compelling enough points, I withdraw my amendment.

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Re: Rule Change #6 Addendum
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2017, 08:25:03 AM »
Rancho and TJ make compelling enough points, I withdraw my amendment.

I just got visions of Pancho in a cowboy hat, lasso and cattle to drive.
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GM Kirk [12|Mar 04:19 PM]: Gooch, how much did you bribe the HIFLPA to help you steal all my players?
GM TJ [12|Mar 04:21 PM]: Lolololololololooooooooooollllllllllll
Disgraced GM Powers [12|Mar 04:24 PM]: The league is #TeamGooch
GM Gravedigger [12|Mar 04:25 PM]: It's because he's so nice....
GM Gravedigger [12|Mar 04:25 PM]: Unnaturally nice...
GM Adam Wrong [12|Mar 04:25 PM]: I love gooch
GM Gravedigger [12|Mar 04:26 PM]: Everyone loves Gooch, except Kirk...
GM Phoenix [12|Mar 04:28 PM]: Almost makes you think gooch is reincarnate red skull trying to live a double nice guy life on hifl
GM Gravedigger [12|Mar 04:31 PM]: Gooch's heel turn will rival Hogan....

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Re: Rule Change #6 Addendum
« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2017, 09:29:47 AM »
I have no idea why my phone did that autocorrect, but it is glorious and I will use it from now on.

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Re: Rule Change #6 Addendum
« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2017, 11:51:26 AM »
I would like to alter the rule as such that it works like the NBA does whereby you can have a cap credit but the CASH still comes out of the teams books. I know this has no impact on the way the game is played but it does change owners expectations a bit and puts a bit more risk. That and I loved when Digger had to win every game not to get fired in the NBL with his 200MM team.

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Re: Rule Change #6 Addendum
« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2017, 02:09:46 PM »
No.